The Stanford Prison Experiment tells the disturbing
real-life tale of Dr. Philip Zimbardo and his notorious 1971 study that
recruited a group of young men to simulate prisoner-guard dynamics in a
mock prison over a two-week span. What occurs next is
chillingly recreated by director Kyle Patrick Alvarez and a group of
some of Hollywood’s brightest young actors, including Ezra Miller and
Michael Angarano, who play opposite sides of the same coin in the
disturbing thriller. Angarano’s character takes his guard role to a
ferocious extreme, adopting a Southern accent and a sadistic streak,
while Miller’s prisoner, known in the film simply as 8612, initially
tries to lead a rebellion before mentally coming apart. Both actors turn
in standout performances among a group of peers that includes rising
stars like Thomas Mann, Tye Sheridan, and Nicholas Braun.
We sat down with the two actors earlier this week and found
them in a candid mood. Besides talking about the demands of recreating
the nightmarish experiment, Miller and Angarano detailed what it was
like acting alongside the same actors they’ve been auditioning against
for years, spoke about their thoughts on—and in Miller’s case experience
with—incarceration, and what they might choose for their last meal if
they suddenly found themselves on Death Row. (The conversation was more
lighthearted than it sounds.)
Ezra, you do a lot of screaming in this movie. Did it kill your vocal chords?
E:
Several times, yes. It also really hurts my head. When you yell a lot,
you get that specific headache where your brain is like, “Stop, man.”
M: I just did a play workshop where I was screaming, and after the first day of rehearsal I was like,
I gotta change something. I gotta do some serious breathing exercises, because that messes you up.
Did you listen to recordings and watch footage of the real Stanford Prison Experiment as a reference point?
E:
Yeah, certain reference points felt good to have. We weren’t basing
these performances on frame-by-frame studies of these people. Kyle
encouraged us to take license in creating these characters, but certain
moments are just too good. You couldn’t possibly make it up. The scene
that Michael and I do at the end of the film, we did that from looking
at the video because it was so good. The actual conversation that
happened on video is so wild that you can’t even believe it.
I was mesmerized by that scene. I was so hoping that
your characters would meet again after the experiment, and I was glad
they did.E: It’s important to know that
that’s actually one of the liberties that was taken in the making of
this movie, in the terms of straying from actual events. That was not my
character that did that interview with Michael’s character. It was
actually Thomas Mann’s character.
M: How emotionally
affected he was, and how unemotionally affected my character was to me,
the greatest frame of reference for my character, because it gives you a
huge insight as to what he was really thinking about, what instigated
this other character to come out of him. He was like, “It wasn’t me. I
wasn’t doing anything. I just wanted to have some fun and earn that
money.”
Neither of your characters are given any backstory.
Is that something you usually rely on to flesh out a role, and was this a
challenge?
M: I think it depends greatly on what kind of
role you’re playing and what the script is asking for, but what I think
is so powerful about this—is that you don’t know who these guys are,
where they came from, if they’re actually good, decent people. I think
it’s an important thing to know—that all or any notes of individuality
or character development that had built these guys up to who they were
before they came into the experiment was completely stripped.
What was it like shooting on the same set with the same costumes every day? Did that sense of monotony help?
M:
To be honest, I don’t think we felt it as much as they did because we
were able to go home and eat and leave, but I think it really helped us
to know that the dimensions of the hallway that they built were the
exact dimensions of the hallway in Stanford.
E: And what we were wearing was pretty darn close to exactly what they wore.
M:
Yeah. Kyle did give us a lot of liberties, but a lot of scenes we
didn’t want to stray too far from the material because they’re important
beats that we have to get. But those lineups would sometimes go on for
like 15 minutes. Remember those days when we would just be in these
lineups and not go outside?
E: Yeah.
M: They would call cut and be like, “What world did we just leave?”
E:
And that’s something that was really cool about how well we were able
to maintain the pleasant, really fun working environment, because we
really were able to feel the contrast between “cut” and “action.”
You both worked with about 20 other young actors who
are your peers but also your competition. What was that like? Were you
initially cautious about it?
E: For sure, because the
hyperbole of saying society right now at large encourages us to be
competitive with one another. As young actors of the same age range,
there’s an encouragement for us to compete where we’re trying to win out
the role.
M: The cast of
The Stanford Prison Experiment is essentially all of the guys who auditioned for
Spider-Man and didn’t get it.
E: All of the
Spider-Man
rejects, cursing Andrew Garfield’s name to the skies, but together. But
no, I would say it was really, really refreshing and empowering and
amazing to work with and collaborate with this group of people who
you’ve been told are your competition, but you know are your comrades.
We’re all in this thing, we’re doing this crazy thing together and it
should be together. I’ll also say that I’ve had a lot of terrible
experiences over the course of my life with large groups of men. It’s
been like a lot of the worst experiences of my life. And this was really
transformative and healing for me, in a very serious way.
Really?
E: One-hundred percent. And for the first two weeks, I was waiting for the axe to fall, you know what I mean?
Was there any sort of trepidation when it first started, wondering who your allies and your enemies were?
E: One-hundred percent. I’m flashing back to very, very rough times and I’m like, “When are they gonna turn?”
M: “When are the switch blades gonna come out?”
E: Because I was traumatized as a middle schooler in the 1950s.
M: When are we gonna go fight under the bridge?
E: Yeah, like when are we gonna meet under the bridge? Comb my hair back son, roll up my sleeves, and have a nice rumble.
M:
Everybody was very aware that it could have easily segwayed into a
life-imitating-art situation. It was one of Kyle’s main concerns walking
into it. We all had meetings and we were all trying to impress upon him
that we were all going to take it very seriously..
Was there an extra amount of goofing around because (A.) you’re all sort of the same age and (B.) to alleviate the heavy tone?
E: Massively. It was really important that we say inappropriate, horrible things that will never be repeated off of the set of
Stanford Prison Experiment in those interment periods so that we could shake it loose.
M: It kind of became like we receded for 10 years and became the middle-school versions of ourselves.
E: Yeah, but again, for me the redeemed middle-school versions of ourselves where we weren’t turning on each other.
Did you guys talk about parts that you didn’t get and the other person did?
M: Literally. I’m not exaggerating.
E: One-hundred percent. All day.
M: Very much so.
Have either of you ever been imprisoned or felt like you’ve been imprisoned?
E: Yeah, I’ve been in jail.
Did you find that to be hellish?
E: Yeah,
and I’ve really had the experience of noticing how few of my capacities
are substantial, how when you’re in this place like The Tombs—and like
Zimbardo said to his guards before the experiment—it’s simply a
situation where we have all the power and they have no power. And to
really feel how much of the entity I consider to be me is actually
reliant on very flimsy and transient external conditions, was a really
challenging and important series of experiences in my life that first of
all, made me really not want to get arrested anymore, and second of
all, made me really want to cultivate spirit, really want to cultivate
my understanding of my innate self and build up that guy because this
guy is going down when shit hits the fan—no question. He’s falling apart
and so there better be the truer, internal warrior spirit that we can
pull out during those times.
So you’re saying if you were in solitary confinement, you would want to be able to keep your shit together?
E: I would want to know how to meditate for 14 hours, at least.
Michael, how do you think you’d handle being locked alone in a room for a day or two or three?
M:
I mean, we’re learning more and more about what solitary confinement
does to the human mind, and I think it’s one of the most dangerous
weapons that we, as humans, have.
E: Cruel and unusual punishment.
M:
To isolate each other because I think your mind just disintegrates
rapidly. I think I’m completely speaking out of place and with a great
deal of baseline ignorance, but I have no idea how I would react. I
would think that my mind would slowly disintegrate like everybody
else’s, but I would also hope that I could find some level of peace
within it. There are amazing stories of people who have endured years of
that. I don’t think at this moment in time I’m physically capable of
really withstanding it, but I don’t think a lot of people are.
Ezra, what did you learn from your experiences in jail?
E: I
definitely felt like I entered the courtroom and suddenly, things
separated me from the people I had just been incarcerated with. I
definitely felt that if I was a person of color, according to my crimes,
I might have been sent to Rikers for a stretch, and I can tell you with
great assurance that that would have crushed and ruined me. Consider
the horror of incarceration and really what it’s doing to people, as we
claim it’s for the purpose of rehabilitation. Beautiful kids who go into
Rikers Island come out as killers. This is our society’s means of
reforming people? That’s rugged.
If you guys were both on Death Row, what would your final meal be?
E:
I’ve thought about this a lot. There’s a great George Carlin routine
where he’s prolonging his death by being indecisive about the meal.
Honestly, I think it would be ramen. I’ve thought about it a lot and I
think a nice bowl of ramen, because then you’d also be weighed down and
taken out of the game a little, so you’d be a little food coma-ed for
the horrible, lethal injection that is probably terribly painful,
speaking of cruel and unusual punishment. I’d want to have a little
ramen downer on me.
M: A great sushi meal is always nice. You feel amazing after a really great sushi meal.
E:
But this is what I’m saying Michael, think about this, you’re going to
be too alert. You’re going to be feeling great, like you just had this
light meal.
You want to knock yourself out a little bit.
E:
Also how is the mercury going to interact with those chemicals, you
know what I mean? You gotta think about it. It’s very dangerous.
M: Mom’s home-cooked meal is probably what I would do.
E: My mom is making me some ramen, you hear this mom?
